13 Brentford Rd
3:55 Sun Oct 12
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........instead we have the ludicrous sitution of un educated un qualified Brits sitting on their arses refusing to work draining public money, immigrants either doing the jobs they should be doing or alsi claiming benefits on top of everyone else with tens of thousands risking their lives desperately scrambling to get here when they are already in France etc... as we'll either give them a job or pay for them to not work.
MADNESS!
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Iron2010
3:54 Sun Oct 12
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Sounds good to me 13
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Hammer and Pickle
3:53 Sun Oct 12
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I agree cutting benefits would work a charm.
It's just campaigning on that ticket is a bit tough, so hey, let's campaign on immigration and see if we can slip benefit cuts in through the back door (oo-er) as a fait accompli once the run on sterling starts in earnest.
Sounds like a pretty crap plan to me though.
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13 Brentford Rd
3:47 Sun Oct 12
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What should have happened before.we let half the world in was the benefits system chsnged to contribution based, all.those Brits sitting on benefits forced to do the jobs in offer, don't like it, tough, starve, work or better yourself so you can get a better job, that is life!
Then because there is no right to benefits and far fewer jobs for immigrants they don't come in droves.
Just plain old common sense.
Too simple?
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Iron2010
3:37 Sun Oct 12
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I don't understand why its a problem that British businesses can employ often superior cheaper labour. We seem to have a sense of entitlement and too high an opinion of ourselves. If someone can do the same thing to a higher or similar standard for less money then let them crack on. You either have too diversify into something else or work for less money that for most families will be topped up by tax credits anyway. Being born British was as a minimum a guarantee of a the most basic of needs, surely it doesn't have to mean two holidays a year and a new car.
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Hammer and Pickle
3:24 Sun Oct 12
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I think there is a confusion here as to the meaning of the word "productivity".
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Stevethehammer
3:21 Sun Oct 12
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There is plenty of workforce here to do the jobs, I think personally that their has been an agenda against the UK workforce which has turned people. The big businesses have profited from this as it has driven down wages.
Why on earth would a company say in construction employ a UK worker on say £10 per hour when they can employ Mr sluevekelfhdkdkdhdh from Poland for £7 per hour.
Before this country were world leaders in productivity yet this has all been sold to overseas.
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Hammer and Pickle
3:14 Sun Oct 12
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How are you going to hang on to your pound if you reduce your productivity by cutting labour supply, which is what curbing immigration pretty much mechanically entails?
You are going to have to hike interest rates to shore it up at some stage and then you'd better have your mortgage paid off if you're a ukip voter. Anyway, you're not exactly going to be flavour of the month down the Black Lion with those who haven't.
Just think about it and don't allow yourselves to be so easily used.
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cholo
3:04 Sun Oct 12
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Mentor
There was a time when some couldn't discuss immigration on this board without using racist language.
Thankfully WHO seems to have grown up.
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Stevethehammer
2:59 Sun Oct 12
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Iron, spot on.
The 3 main parties have had their chances to sort it out. Haven't we had years of promises by the Tories for a referendum, 4 years into government and they are promising it by the end of the next government. It may be too late by then as other countries may join the EU and what comes with that is even more mass immigration.
There are people out there who have been ridiculed by speaking up about their fears on immigration and for alot of people enough is enough.
Voting for UKIP maybe isn't their first choice but people see them as the best protest vote. The others just haven't listened and people have had enough.
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mentor
2:52 Sun Oct 12
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It wasn't so long ago when voicing concerns about immigration would attract vitriol and would practically get you a ban. Thankfully those narrowminded days appear to be in the past.
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Iron2010
2:34 Sun Oct 12
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Steve
Hopefully the best thing to come out of this swell in support for Ukip will be more effective controls of immigration
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Stevethehammer
2:17 Sun Oct 12
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Free movement within the EU was the worst thing that has happened to this country in a very long time. No doubt most people's intentions were genuine to come here, find work and live a life in the UK, however now those people are lost in a system and that system is expanding every single day.
The people of this country were never allowed a vote on this and I think that's what people resent, not necessarily the people who come here but the politicians and parties that have allowed this mass immigration.
UKIP have offered to listen to peoples concerns and have gone against the status quo of talking about immigration and actually voicing the concerns of people.
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Sven Roeder
2:01 Sun Oct 12
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Beyond immigration and a general free market dog eat dog philosophy and social conservatism I get the feeling UKIP are making it up as they go along so you are going to get these policy u-turns.
Basically they are all right wing conservatives who want 'their Tory party' back aren't they? If Thatcher was dug up & became Tory leader they would all get back in their box.
Wouldn't they?
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Iron2010
2:01 Sun Oct 12
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Spandex, I agree that career politicians are a bad idea and savvy local people would make far better mp's. But compared to other similar countries we seem to have things fairly well at the moment. I don't really understand people's problem. We are in the EU trading block but have control of our own currency, most people are in work and many public sector workers are retiring with fantastic pensions.
The general public seem to have become very greedy, bordering lazy and uninformed.
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charleyfarley
2:00 Sun Oct 12
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Brentford, spot on mate. It is all so simple yet they huff and puff
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cholo
1:59 Sun Oct 12
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Farage is as big a charlatan as any other politician, it's almost funny watching people being fooled by him.
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The Kronic
1:45 Sun Oct 12
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I'm still waiting to see if Farage will change his stance on tax dodgers considering he previously said it was 'OK'.
Until then he and his cunt party can fuck off.
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13 Brentford Rd
1:44 Sun Oct 12
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I have never voted Labour in my life, sorry if that confuses some.
"The small detail of policy" ag ag ag........
Sydney, the reason people are fed up with the mainstream parties is mainly their lack of action and backbone on precisely those two issues which are the root of most voters anger and most of the priblems we face here. Take those 2 issues away from UKIP and they represent nothing.
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Iron2010
1:43 Sun Oct 12
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It's so easy to seem direct and decisive when you are not in power just look at what has happened to lib dems since they actually won a voice.
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Sven Roeder
1:36 Sun Oct 12
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She was avoiding the question about what were these 'new policies' on immigration that she was trailing by Andrew Marr.
Eventually she came up with a list of basic controls ie we will not let convicted murderers in which you would thought were basic tenents of ANY immigration system and which they and the present government have had years to implement.
The rest were irrelevant given free movement within the EU.
Their present strategy seems to be to keep their heads down and hope UKIP hand them govt by default.
You would have thought Heywood and Middleton would have woken them up but it seems not.
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